When did you first make contact with Joey?
“It was the end of the touring cycle for Iowa and he was going to put this new band together straight afterwards. I was with my daughter, who was three at the time, eating dinner, and then Joey calls me. He said, ‘This is Joey from Slipknot’ and I went, ‘Which one are you? There’s like 20 of you guys!’ He thought that was really funny. I knew Slipknot but I wasn’t a fan -I was a punk rock dude - and I think that made him like me even more. I didn’t know this at the time because I’d never been out of North Carolina, but Iowa and where I am from were pretty much the same kind of place. We had such a bond instantly; when I thought of Slipknot I thought, ‘There is no way I’m gonna get on with the guy from this band’, and he turned out to be one of my best friends.”