The queen of light entertainment, Claudia Winkleman, is stuck in the lift. Her friend and podcast co-host, clinical psychologist Tanya Byron, is cracking up on the other side of the door. ‘She didn’t wait for the clunk,’ says Tanya. ‘People who are really intelligent like Claudia don’t read the signs in lifts telling you to wait for the lift to stop before opening the door - that’s how brilliant she is.’
The friends are both smart, funny and intrigued by people and their behaviour. They have come together to work on a compelling new podcast, How Did We Get Here?, 16 years after meeting on House Of Tiny Tearaways, a reality show that helps parents deal with their children’s problematic behaviour.
In the intervening years, Claudia has gone on to co-host Strictly Come Dancing and Best Home Cook and Tanya has made Am I Normal ?, as well as writing five books, including the autobiographical The Skeleton Cupboard: The Making Of A Clinical Psychologist (Pan Macmillan, £8.99).